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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast

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episode number 656 for the 9th of May

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2021 Richard Saunders coming to you from

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Sydney Australia looking out the window

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it's a bit overcast so I won't see the

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Chinese rocket

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if it happens to uh

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um come down near Sydney I might hear it

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though yes at the time of recording

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although you probably know what happens

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we're waiting for that stage of the

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Chinese rocket to Tumble back to Earth

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I wonder where it's going to fall

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but I also wonder what's coming up on

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this week's episode of the skeptic Zone

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oh before I start a big thank you to our

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reporter Adrian Hill in Calgary Canada

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who at the last minute filled in for me

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um out of the blue I got a cold and I

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really couldn't speak very well

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uh but I'm just almost 100 better now

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you can probably hear it a little bit in

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my voice and you'll probably hear it in

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today's show a little bit but it was

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very strange to have a cold I haven't

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had a cold or anything well since 2019

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I don't recommend it and yes of course I

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took a covered test just in case but it

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came back negative I'm pleased to say

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anyway coming up on this week's show

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we're gonna start with a well a covert

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related uh story when we covered a few

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update you on that story and after that

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I speak to Adrian Hill and Leonard

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tremel from The Great Australian

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prediction project we were doing it the

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other day but we stopped to comment on a

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strange website

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relation to covert 19. it's strange I

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won't say anymore that's coming up after

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the first story then we have a visit

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from the skeptical Fairy Godmother angel

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from the internet this time she finds

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herself in Canada

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what is the skeptical Fairy Godmother

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angel from the internet doing in Canada

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find out then we have an update from the

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Australian Skeptics with the Australian

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Skeptics newsletter written and compiled

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by Tim Mendham then to round off the

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show the Trove section once again we're

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looking at American newspapers

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this time we're going to be focusing on

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the work of the national Center for

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Science Education and my dear friend Dr

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the good old days good old days

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we'll be visiting the days of the

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battles of intelligent design and

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be really consigned to history here in

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but it's an ongoing uh battle situation

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in the United States

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but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs and have some chicken soup

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because there's somebody

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maybe I should just listen to the

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skeptical fairy a bit more

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a couple of weeks ago on the skeptic

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the Byron Bay Echo newspaper under the

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title Midwife quits

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from one Deb Walsh or Fernley which is

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to refresh your memory it says it's

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become untenable for me to continue

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working in hospitals I have quit I will

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be deregistered soon by my own choice

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working with lies and deceit at all

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levels has led me to despair I'm very

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good at my job as a midwife you would

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want me to take care of you you would be

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very safe in my care the jab in inverted

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commas the jab cannot be called a

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please do not acquiesce Deb Walsh

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Fernley now this caught the eye of many

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people in the skeptical Community as you

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who has had great success in the past in

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simply writing letters to the correct

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authorities when coming across quackery

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to the echo says I refer to the letter

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Midwife quits published on April 17 2021

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in the online and paper versions of the

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echo in the letter section

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with the byline Paul Bibby

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although your correspondent Deb Walsh of

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Fernley claimed to be a midwife

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registered by the Australian Health

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practitioners registry agency I can find

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no person registered under that name at

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that or a neighboring community in the

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I ask one what steps did you take to

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Midwife two if you did confirm that she

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responsible to publish an untrue Claim

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about covert vaccination during an

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epidemic that has killed millions of

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regards Ken McLeod and further to that

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Council and he says in part

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photo of hard copy attached it's said

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the text of the letter

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and then Ken says I have checked the

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register of midwives and nurses with the

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practitioner registry Agency for a Deb

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health practitioner regulation national

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three years imprisonment or both

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Deb Walsh but so far have not received a

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identity and the claims of Deb Walsh I

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believe that she is not a midwife is a

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website is a disgrace

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complaint the publication is denigrating

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hi this is Heidi Robertson from the

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northern Rivers vaccination supporters

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we are a group of concerned citizens

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dedicated to promoting good science and

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common sense in our region the far North

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this area famous for its natural beauty

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and relaxed lifestyle also has the

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lowest rates of vaccination in Australia

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we are out to change that by challenging

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the myths and misinformation and by

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information to the community we'd love

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world to join our fight

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supporters that's vax and check us out

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it's such a mind-blowingly stupid story

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own screen plus plus there we go how

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badly can our minds be blown Leonard

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tremel I asked myself that many times

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all the way from Canada hello Adrian

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hello how are you oh Mars because we're

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background and Adrian thank you very

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the end of my talk

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that's fine and you but you did run and

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get some food so you're keeping up the

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to start this week's meeting for The

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Great Australian psychic prediction

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exists at all this is from the

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under the uh it's like a question and

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answer section q a is it true

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can covid-19 Vex I can't even say it

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I'll try it again is it true can

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covid-19 vaccines connect me to them

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that's right the families I'm looking at

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the U2 and you you two are cracking up

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so I can't get through it is it true can

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covid-19 vaccines connect me to the

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sorry I've lost it again I mean the the

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the government would have to have a page

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like this on their covid-19 information

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area well let's see what let's see can

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it what do you think

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I'm going to guess the answer is no I'm

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gonna guess you're right and it goes on

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Covert 19s

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oh boy this is this is not normally how

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I do the show I promise you that

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covid-19 vaccines do not and cannot

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connect you to the internet find out

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I'm just losing it here

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this is what it says and I know you can

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both see that page can cover 19. oh

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we're getting lots of beeps and Bops

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connect me to the internet I mean what

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what

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covid-19 vaccines do not and cannot

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connect you to the internet some of the

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MRNA vaccines being developed include

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the use of a material called hydrogel

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which might help disperse the vaccine

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slowly in our cells

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bioengineers oh they're all bioengineers

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oh that doesn't sound good bio bio

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Engineers have used similar hydrogels

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for many years in different ways for

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instance they've used them to help stem

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cells survive after being put inside our

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bodies because of this some people

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believe that hydrogels are needed for

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electronic implants which can connect to

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the Pfizer m r and a vaccine does not

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use hydrogels as a component well thank

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goodness for that

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we're safe we're not going to be

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connected to the internet but I got the

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moderna one well I mean well that that's

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like your dial up then maybe you can

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connect by dial up I don't know the

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Pfizer M uh in a vaccine contains a

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piece of m r and a which is coded in a

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lipid fatty droplet the lipid helps the

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vaccine enter our cells as the membrane

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holding our cells together is also made

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mostly of lipid I'm just reading this

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off the screen the vaccine and the

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membrane can fuse easily depositing the

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MRNA inside the cell

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and that with the new covid-19 vaccines

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development with the new covid-19

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vaccine developments every day it's

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normal to have questions or concerns not

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like this and possibly feel hesitant

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about getting the vaccine that's why

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we're providing accurate evidence-based

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answers to questions about covid-19

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vaccines people have actually been

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writing to the government fearing they

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can be I'm surely people want to be

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connected to the internet give me a

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vaccine and I can have internet

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connection now that would be handy

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it would be very handy

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but you must have seen some pretty wild

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things in Canada Adrian

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well in Canada they're just having

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rodeos and

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protesting the vaccination and the

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lockdown and not wanting to wear masks

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so yeah typical stuff but you know in a

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mixed or in amongst rodeos which is

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interesting

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really yeah we had several thousand

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people apparently at a rodeo last

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weekend Oh on on a piece of private

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profit property if I remember correctly

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that Alberta Health had not or not the

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Alberta Health I guess the local

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government had declined a permit for

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them to hold

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but they went ahead anyway what's for

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our listeners what's the general

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situation in Canada because in Australia

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I must say it's pretty good I mean we

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have I don't think there's Western

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Australia the state of Western Australia

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have a few problems at the moment but

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generally speaking the way the the rest

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of the country is um virtually covered

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free I mean there are cases in some

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quarantine I think but in this in

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society for example uh we can go out to

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clubs and pubs and restaurants and

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movies and and all that sort of stuff

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how's it looking in Canada not good well

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especially Alberta it in Canada in

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general it's not great but Alberta is

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the worst province in Canada right now

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and just last weekend our last I guess

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it was Friday I had a specialist

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appointment at a hospital and they

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called me on Thursday and said sorry you

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cannot come to the hospital all

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hospitals are in lockdown and it was

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from a headache Clinic appointment and

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they said and please if you have any

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issues with regards to your head do not

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call us because we've lost 30 or not 30

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they have lost 50 percent of the nursing

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staff and they now have to work on the

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covid limit uh the covid unit and so

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that was pretty frightening for me to

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hear I'm quite happy not to have to go

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to a hospital if I don't have to but uh

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that was that was really disconcerting

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to hear that things are going are not

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going well in Alberta I I believe we

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have the

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highest rate of infection right now in

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in we're beating like per capita the U.S

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right now wow really yeah you know it's

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not good and Leonard I understand that

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things are changing in the States

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because of the rollout of the vaccine

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they are

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um

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in there are places in the Bay area

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where the vaccination rate exceeds 99 of

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the adult population wow

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uh you might be surprised or it might

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not be that the ZIP code that contains

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Stanford University

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all right yeah is one of those okay

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um

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I believe last weekend was the first one

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um since the very beginning of last year

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with zero kova deaths in Los Angeles

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County hmm which is encouraging on the

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other hand you get declarations like the

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one from the governor of Florida Ron

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DeSantis

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declaring that the emergency is over

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and rescinding and forbidding any new

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coveted restrictions to be enacted by

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any local counties right

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which is nothing short of terrifying it

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is it is is really frightening I mean if

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if sometimes words fail me uh I I think

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one of the reasons in this country that

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we fared very well is we were lucky in a

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sense that we're an island

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so you know border regulation is

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something we could attend to there's

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been a great deal of controversy I tell

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you in the last week because you've you

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very well aware of the terrible

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situation in India and we spoke to our

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friend Abhijit Chanda the other week

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about that and the Australian government

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then not not long after that uh banned

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all flights all people coming in from

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India and this of course great

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consternation in Australia because a lot

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of Australian citizens who may be been

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born in India who live in Australia now

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are in a you know Australians together

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with various Australians in India for

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whatever reasons are suddenly been told

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that they can't come back and if they do

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come back they risk imprisonment

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you know as a as a wow and so there's

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all sorts of uh

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uh people are up in arms because you

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know that's not how you treat your

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citizens and everything else so it's uh

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it's nothing short of a debacle I think

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um it's a Pity this government couldn't

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get their act together a little bit

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better uh you know we can give everybody

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a bit of latitude because of the

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extraordinary situation we all find

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ourselves in anyway that's the situation

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at least the Australian government have

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got themselves together enough to assure

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us that we can't connect to the internet

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after being

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given a dose of the covid-19 vaccine

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I'll be rolling up my sleeve soon I hope

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um in this country all citizens over 50

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are eligible to get their vaccines very

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quickly now so I'm going to be looking

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for my earliest opportunity to do that

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now you've been you got yours the other

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day didn't you um Adrian

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yes just yesterday great and I have to

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say the Alberta Health I was very

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impressed with the organization it was

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in a Convention Center and they had

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police unfortunately I don't know if

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that was because of the protests that

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have happened some of the Alberta Health

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workers have been abused apparently by

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people who are against the vaccination

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yeah policy of the The Province but I I

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they might just have been there for

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crowd control I'm not really sure but

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police were definitely evident both when

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we went into the building and when we

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came out and it was so well organized

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and I was very impressed I was actually

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quite teary I was very excited about it

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and the staff were amazing and so I was

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very very impressed so please if you're

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listening from Canada or anywhere in the

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world get your vaccine absolutely and

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Linda you've been vaccinated vaccinated

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I can't remember yeah I got my second

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dose back in mid-march right

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and my wife got her second dose on

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Friday

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so we're I'm pleased to say that you are

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both now connected to the internet

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Adrian you're only half connected to the

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internet and I'm not yeah so

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talk to Bill Gates this morning your

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voice is coming through really clearly

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there must be some other connection

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there is I'm peddling very quickly

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behind the scenes

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Leonard and Adrian great to see you

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thank you for this little chat

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um it's amazing what you can find on the

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internet when it comes to covert 19. and

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uh well let's get back to the Great

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Australian prediction project back to

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work finally huh

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[Music]

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oh hi Adrian hi jennily great day in

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this park yes and it's so nice to see

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you the weather is finally warm enough

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that we don't have to be all bundled up

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or have to go for a walk in a mall eh

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that's for sure and having to do all

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this social distancing and mask wearing

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is tiring but at least I'm getting my

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covid vaccine this week oh I'm not sure

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00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:12,179
that's such a great idea I have heard

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that the vaccines were developed too

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quickly to be safe and after you're

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vaccinated you can be connected to the

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internet I don't want the internet

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following me around constantly oh

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I didn't know that

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I don't want to be connected to the

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internet either hmm oh that is a rather

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large camera you have did you take some

519
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interesting pictures yes take a look at

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some of the shots I have so far I'm

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pretty pleased oh nice ah oh that Crow

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is very black but what what is that

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strange blurry looking thing in the

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background Oh weird I don't remember

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seeing that when I took the picture it

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looks rather spooky like a ghost or

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laughs

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00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,400
hello everyone oh my it's the skeptical

529
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Fairy Godmother angel from the internet

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I met her in a supermarket once in

531
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Australia hello again Adrian and nice to

532
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meet you too generally what are you

533
00:24:24,169 --> 00:24:20,340
doing here in Canada

534
00:24:27,230 --> 00:24:24,179
well I overheard you saying that you

535
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might not get your covert vaccine and

536
00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:29,880
you thought there was a ghost or a fairy

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in your photo

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so I have come to tell you about an

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all-day Camp coming up that has a

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variety of great speakers discussing

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00:24:49,330 --> 00:24:43,220
myths and misinformation

542
00:24:55,610 --> 00:24:52,190
www.atheistcalgary.com forward slash

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skepticab and you will find all the

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00:25:03,370 --> 00:24:58,500
information you need to attend this free

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00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:03,380
event on Saturday May 15 Canada time

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00:25:13,370 --> 00:25:10,669
www.atheistcalgary.com forward slash

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skepticamp thank you skeptical Fairy

548
00:25:19,130 --> 00:25:14,460
Godmother angel

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hang on so this tiny floating fairy that

550
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:21,240
appeared from thin air is telling us

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about an event to discuss myths okay

552
00:25:29,930 --> 00:25:27,059
I guess you'll disappear in a puff of

553
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,940
smoke and thunder now eh well not just

554
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yet

555
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since I'm in Canada I was hoping that

556
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:37,260
you would direct me to a store that

557
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sells Real Canadian maple syrup

558
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you convinced me it really is the best

559
00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:47,580
oh that is wonderful you know that

560
00:25:52,130 --> 00:25:49,740
Canadian maple syrup is made with real

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Maples and all the great hockey players

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[Music]

563
00:26:21,409 --> 00:26:18,779
now it's time to look at the Australian

564
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Skeptics news letter newsletter number

565
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122.

566
00:26:30,350 --> 00:26:26,820
and this arrived in my inbox

567
00:26:32,810 --> 00:26:30,360
today well today is in when I'm

568
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recording this show and that's the 4th

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of May oh May the fourth be with you

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00:26:44,350 --> 00:26:39,840
written and compiled by Tim Mendham hi

571
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all it says apparently May 3rd was World

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paranormal day

573
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so while we've missed it in Australia

574
00:26:53,690 --> 00:26:52,140
if you have friends in Hawaii you may

575
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still have the chance to wish them all

576
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,020
the best

577
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:57,600
May the fourth be with you ah Tim you

578
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,480
see great minds think alike and you and

579
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me too and for those of you who really

580
00:27:07,870 --> 00:27:05,460
need a holiday in between now and

581
00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:07,880
Mother's Day are National astronaut day

582
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National Day of Prayer National note

583
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Pence day

584
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and National have a Coke day

585
00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:21,240
meanwhile the real thing is here read on

586
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Tim

587
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satanic social media across the line

588
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lawyers say that by calling social media

589
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the home of the devil prime minister

590
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Scott Morrison the Australian prime

591
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minister is breaching the church State

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divide with legal and constitutional

593
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implications and don't forget that each

594
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little item I'm reading out is

595
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accompanied by a link in the newsletter

596
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so you can click on that and read more

597
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:55,260
demanding trust in experts won't cure

598
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vaccine skepticism those who are

599
00:28:02,810 --> 00:28:00,539
skeptical of vaccination won't be

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convinced by the presentation of a

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00:28:09,610 --> 00:28:06,539
platter of more specialist truths or

602
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having their doubts

603
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:13,500
cracked with hammers of fact when they

604
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pop up whack-a-mole style

605
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and again we follow the link and see

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what that's all about maybe a bit later

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on

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covid-19 vaccines the Nuremberg code is

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an agreement whereby you can't

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experiment on someone without their

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approval it's often taken up by the

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anti-vaxx Brigade as part of their

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argument despite totally

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misunderstanding what it actually refers

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to

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anti-vaxxers misunderstanding something

617
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:47,640
will one is never cease Paul Gallagher

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on his losing The Lucky Country blog

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gives the lowdown and in fact this

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Nuremberg code came up in a story we

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covered last week on the show with crazy

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covered

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vaccine Flyers here's another one the

624
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mysterious history of cattle mutilation

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a good article on a quote mystery end

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quote

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regarding cattle in the US that crops up

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every so often among UFO proponents

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but why not our cattle not good enough

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for surgically minded aliens

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Brits are obsessed with aliens people in

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the UK do more internet searches about

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aliens than any other European country

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on average 624

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000 searches relating to aliens every

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year pulling them ahead of France and

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Poland does your psychic Google you

638
00:29:46,010 --> 00:29:43,740
before a reading advice from a psychic

639
00:29:49,549 --> 00:29:46,020
on how to avoid dodgy psychic practices

640
00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:49,559
some good advice but he says that

641
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ultimately you just have to trust your

642
00:29:59,149 --> 00:29:55,380
own intuition and in a knowing Falls at

643
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the last hurdle and I will say that our

644
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friend and colleague Susan gerbeck over

645
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at Guerrilla skepticism on Wikipedia has

646
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:07,020
certainly discovered that many so-called

647
00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:10,799
psychics aren't shy about using Google

648
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and Facebook to find out information

649
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people the newsletter goes on to talk

650
00:30:20,350 --> 00:30:18,179
about the latest issue of the skeptic

651
00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:20,360
the journal from Australian Skeptics

652
00:30:25,370 --> 00:30:23,940
including a link to a free story we

653
00:30:27,169 --> 00:30:25,380
covered a few weeks ago on the skeptic

654
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,179
Zone about The Great Australian psychic

655
00:30:31,810 --> 00:30:29,279
prediction project

656
00:30:34,130 --> 00:30:31,820
and don't forget you can subscribe at

657
00:30:37,010 --> 00:30:34,140
skeptics.com.edu to this fine journal

658
00:30:39,049 --> 00:30:37,020
and as usual the newsletter covers

659
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:39,059
upcoming skeptical events in Sydney

660
00:30:45,289 --> 00:30:42,240
Canberra Queensland Perth Victoria Gold

661
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Coast Adelaide and more

662
00:30:49,730 --> 00:30:47,880
Skeptics in action if you have any ideas

663
00:30:51,889 --> 00:30:49,740
for story or want to contribute to

664
00:30:54,289 --> 00:30:51,899
Skeptics Communications such as the

665
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:54,299
magazine or Facebook page or just have

666
00:30:58,430 --> 00:30:55,679
something you want to get off your chest

667
00:31:01,070 --> 00:30:58,440
then you're welcome to get in touch news

668
00:31:02,529 --> 00:31:01,080
leads should be sent to news tips at

669
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skeptics.com

670
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:04,980
submissions for the magazine Etc should

671
00:31:10,850 --> 00:31:07,760
go to editor at skeptics.com.edu

672
00:31:15,049 --> 00:31:10,860
comments and suggestions even rude ones

673
00:31:16,909 --> 00:31:15,059
should go to editor skeptics.com.edu

674
00:31:20,330 --> 00:31:16,919
and finally some items of Interest

675
00:31:22,669 --> 00:31:20,340
travel tip the spookiest places to visit

676
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,679
in Scotland I've been in a few bars in

677
00:31:26,570 --> 00:31:24,480
Scotland that were pretty spooky you

678
00:31:29,149 --> 00:31:26,580
won't be surprised that there are a lot

679
00:31:32,509 --> 00:31:29,159
of castles included on this list plus

680
00:31:36,289 --> 00:31:32,519
some caves and the odd spooky Forest

681
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:36,299
humans have built in survival Instinct

682
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:39,720
triggered by ghosts and Aliens a hat

683
00:31:45,289 --> 00:31:42,320
humans can instantly detect

684
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:45,299
extraterrestrial and Paranormal Activity

685
00:31:51,370 --> 00:31:48,960
thanks to a special frequency

686
00:31:55,009 --> 00:31:51,380
where do you get these from Tim says an

687
00:31:58,130 --> 00:31:55,019
ex-ministry of Defense UK medic such a

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connection even made him not photograph

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opportunity most haunted house in

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Ireland for sale Loftus Hall in the

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southeast of Ireland covers 63 hectares

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is located near a lighthouse and

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apparently quote holds Tales of Satan

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colonialism and getting stood up by the

695
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queen end quote a bargain at 2.2 million

696
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:28,549
oh Tim Mendham has ever an interesting

697
00:32:33,549 --> 00:32:30,720
and entertaining newsletter and don't

698
00:32:35,810 --> 00:32:33,559
forget you can sign up for that at

699
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:35,820
skeptics.com.eu where of course there is

700
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:37,930
a wealth of information waiting for you

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00:32:51,730 --> 00:32:47,040
foreign

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[Music]

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00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:54,899
gsow that's gorilla skepticism on

704
00:32:59,810 --> 00:32:57,240
Wikipedia I want to thank everyone who

705
00:33:01,610 --> 00:32:59,820
via the skeptic Zone podcast has

706
00:33:04,250 --> 00:33:01,620
contacted me to become an editor on

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00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:04,260
Wikipedia together we have worked on or

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created over 1200 Wikipedia Pages

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countless thousands of people all over

710
00:33:14,930 --> 00:33:11,760
the world access those pages each day in

711
00:33:17,630 --> 00:33:14,940
fact we're over 52 million page views

712
00:33:19,250 --> 00:33:17,640
like many listeners I also give back to

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the skeptic Zone via monthly micro

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00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:21,419
payments and I want to encourage you to

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do the same is the information and

716
00:33:28,130 --> 00:33:25,679
entertainment you get each week from the

717
00:33:31,149 --> 00:33:28,140
show worth five or ten dollars a month I

718
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,159
sure think it is follow the link at

719
00:33:36,769 --> 00:33:33,600
skepticzone.tv and show your practical

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00:33:42,260 --> 00:33:36,779
support thank you

721
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[Music]

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newspapers and once again this week

723
00:34:07,810 --> 00:34:04,740
we're off to the United States of

724
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America to look through the

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thousands upon thousands upon thousands

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upon who knows how many pages that are

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archived there searchable once again

728
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:16,619
thank you to my colleague and friend Ben

729
00:34:22,430 --> 00:34:19,200
Radford from squaring the strange who is

730
00:34:24,349 --> 00:34:22,440
helping me access this archive and this

731
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:24,359
week we're going to be looking at

732
00:34:28,129 --> 00:34:26,280
references to the National Center for

733
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Science Education

734
00:34:34,089 --> 00:34:30,359
an organization that I've been pleased

735
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to be associated with now for many years

736
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and we're going to be also finding the

737
00:34:43,490 --> 00:34:40,520
quotes and

738
00:34:45,409 --> 00:34:43,500
reports of Eugenie Scott my old friend

739
00:34:47,149 --> 00:34:45,419
Eugenie Scott who was for a long time

740
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the president of the national Center for

741
00:34:51,530 --> 00:34:49,139
Science Education the national Center

742
00:34:54,649 --> 00:34:51,540
for Science Education fights the good

743
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:54,659
fight against pseudoscience mainly

744
00:35:00,910 --> 00:34:58,560
creationism and the first report we have

745
00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:00,920
comes to us from Marshall Evening

746
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:04,200
Chronicle from the 11th of September

747
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1998.

748
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[Music]

749
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yeah

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use in brief Detroit Associated Press a

751
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school district's move to Foster student

752
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debate on evolutionary theory is a way

753
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of sneaking legally banned talk of

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creationism into public classrooms a

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watchdog group says headed by

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self-described creationist John Rowe the

757
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Melvindale Northern Allen Park School

758
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Board on Monday adopted a proposal aimed

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to teach students these strengths and

760
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weaknesses of evolutionism Rose said the

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idea isn't to dive into the creationism

762
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Evolution debate but to tell students

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that evolution is a theory about the

764
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origin of life

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not a scientific fact the one Observer

766
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the district's move singled a veiled

767
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form of creationism a science that could

768
00:36:12,109 --> 00:36:09,960
breach the separation of church and

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state anti-evolutionists have come up

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with ways of getting creation science

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into the classroom without using the c

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word

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said Eugenie Scott

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head of the california-based national

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Center for Science Education a watchdog

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group

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evidence against evolution is just a

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euphemism for creation science

779
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:31,800
I guess the cat's out of the bag now

780
00:36:37,069 --> 00:36:35,040
Eugenie C Scott's own quotes are read by

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Eugenie C Scott

782
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and the next item we have is from the

783
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Indiana Gazette published on the 26th of

784
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September 2005. intelligent design

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debate to take center stage at federal

786
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court

787
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,859
by Martha Raphael Associated Press

788
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writer

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Harrisburg

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80 years after the Scopes Monkey Trial

791
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the latest legal chapter in the debate

792
00:37:07,870 --> 00:37:04,859
over the teaching of evolution in public

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schools is to unfold in federal court

794
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:11,520
the Dover Area School District was to

795
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,160
start defending today its policy of

796
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,560
requiring 9th grade students to hear

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00:37:21,550 --> 00:37:18,960
about quote intelligent design and quote

798
00:37:24,290 --> 00:37:21,560
before biology lessons on Evolution

799
00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:24,300
Dover is believed to be the first school

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system in the nation to require students

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00:37:32,510 --> 00:37:29,400
to be exposed to the concept under a

802
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:32,520
policy adopted by a six to three vote in

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October 2004.

804
00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:37,680
intelligent design a concept some

805
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Scholars have advanced over the past 15

806
00:37:46,130 --> 00:37:43,140
years holds that Charles Darwin's theory

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of natural selection cannot fully

808
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:49,020
explain the origin of life or the

809
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emergence of Highly complex life forms

810
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it implies that life on Earth was the

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product of an unidentified intelligent

812
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Force

813
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,480
critics say intelligent design is merely

814
00:38:08,349 --> 00:38:06,240
creationism a literal reading of the

815
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Bible story of creation

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00:38:13,970 --> 00:38:11,700
camouflaged in scientific language and

817
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it does not belong in a science

818
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:17,400
curriculum eight Dover families are

819
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suing the school district alleging that

820
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the policy violates the Constitutional

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separation of church and state

822
00:38:29,630 --> 00:38:27,420
the intelligent design movement is an

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effort to introduce creationism into the

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schools under a different name said Eric

825
00:38:36,890 --> 00:38:34,740
Rothschild a Philadelphia attorney

826
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representing the families

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the history of evolution litigation

828
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dates back to the famous 1925 Scopes

829
00:38:48,170 --> 00:38:45,599
Monkey Trial in which Tennessee biology

830
00:38:51,050 --> 00:38:48,180
teacher John T Scopes was fined one

831
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hundred dollars for violating a state

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law that forbade teaching evolution the

833
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Tennessee Supreme Court in 1968 the U.S

834
00:39:02,810 --> 00:39:00,720
Supreme Court overturned an Arkansas

835
00:39:07,250 --> 00:39:02,820
state law Banning the teaching of

836
00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:07,260
evolution and in 1987 it ruled that

837
00:39:12,530 --> 00:39:10,260
states may not require public schools to

838
00:39:14,990 --> 00:39:12,540
balance Evolution lessons by teaching

839
00:39:17,450 --> 00:39:15,000
creationism The Clash over intelligent

840
00:39:19,329 --> 00:39:17,460
design is evident far beyond this rural

841
00:39:22,130 --> 00:39:19,339
District of about

842
00:39:25,370 --> 00:39:22,140
3500 students 20 miles south of

843
00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:25,380
Harrisburg President Bush has weighed in

844
00:39:30,109 --> 00:39:28,380
saying schools should present both

845
00:39:31,490 --> 00:39:30,119
Concepts while teaching about the

846
00:39:34,010 --> 00:39:31,500
origins of life

847
00:39:36,770 --> 00:39:34,020
in August the Kansas Board of Education

848
00:39:39,650 --> 00:39:36,780
gave preliminary approval to science

849
00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:39,660
standards that allowed intelligent

850
00:39:44,329 --> 00:39:41,700
design alternatives to be discussed

851
00:39:46,730 --> 00:39:44,339
alongside Evolution Richard Thompson

852
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:46,740
president and chief counsel of the

853
00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:49,680
Thomas Moore Law Center which lobbies

854
00:39:55,849 --> 00:39:53,220
for Religious Freedom of Christians and

855
00:39:59,210 --> 00:39:55,859
is defending the school district said

856
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,220
dover's policy takes a modest approach

857
00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:01,920
it requires teachers to read a statement

858
00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:04,740
that says intelligent design differs

859
00:40:10,609 --> 00:40:07,740
from Darwin's View and refers students

860
00:40:14,089 --> 00:40:10,619
to an intelligent design textbook

861
00:40:16,670 --> 00:40:14,099
of pandas and people for more

862
00:40:19,069 --> 00:40:16,680
information all the Dover School Board

863
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:19,079
did was to allow students to get a

864
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,079
glimpse of a controversy that is really

865
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:24,000
boiling over in the scientific Community

866
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:25,920
Thompson said

867
00:40:32,270 --> 00:40:29,040
The Discovery Institute a seattle-based

868
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:32,280
think tank that represents many scholars

869
00:40:37,210 --> 00:40:35,280
who support intelligent design opposes

870
00:40:39,950 --> 00:40:37,220
mandating it in public schools

871
00:40:43,309 --> 00:40:39,960
nevertheless it considers the Dover

872
00:40:46,849 --> 00:40:43,319
lawsuit an attempt to squelch voluntary

873
00:40:49,849 --> 00:40:46,859
debates over Evolution it's Scopes in

874
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:49,859
Reverse they're going to get a gag order

875
00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:52,319
to be placed on teachers across the

876
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:54,540
country said Institute senior fellow

877
00:40:59,569 --> 00:40:56,480
John West

878
00:41:01,130 --> 00:40:59,579
Eugenie Scott executive director of the

879
00:41:03,290 --> 00:41:01,140
national Center for Science Education

880
00:41:05,930 --> 00:41:03,300
which supports the teaching of evolution

881
00:41:08,329 --> 00:41:05,940
in public schools said the controversy

882
00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:08,339
has little to do with science because

883
00:41:13,609 --> 00:41:10,920
mainstream scientists have rejected

884
00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:13,619
intelligent design Theory intelligent

885
00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:15,780
design supporters

886
00:41:20,030 --> 00:41:18,060
seems to have shifted virtually entirely

887
00:41:23,150 --> 00:41:20,040
to political and rhetorical effects to

888
00:41:25,309 --> 00:41:23,160
sway the general public Scott said

889
00:41:26,809 --> 00:41:25,319
the bitter truth is that there is no

890
00:41:28,730 --> 00:41:26,819
argument going on in the scientific

891
00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:28,740
Community about whether Evolution took

892
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:31,020
place Scott said

893
00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:32,880
and that certainly brings back a lot of

894
00:41:38,809 --> 00:41:36,180
memories of that time with uh Dover and

895
00:41:40,370 --> 00:41:38,819
The Discovery Institute things I haven't

896
00:41:41,930 --> 00:41:40,380
heard about for a long time and

897
00:41:44,089 --> 00:41:41,940
intelligent design too haven't heard

898
00:41:48,109 --> 00:41:44,099
about that for a while

899
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:48,119
and our next item comes from 2007 the

900
00:41:55,849 --> 00:41:52,400
third of April Anderson Herald Bulletin

901
00:41:57,970 --> 00:41:55,859
anti-evolution Museum set to open

902
00:42:01,210 --> 00:41:57,980
by Andy Mead

903
00:42:03,609 --> 00:42:01,220
McClatchy tribune news service

904
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:03,619
Petersburg Kentucky

905
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:06,480
Tyrannosaurus Rex was a strict

906
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:09,599
vegetarian and lived with Adam and Heath

907
00:42:14,210 --> 00:42:11,400
in the Garden of Eden there were

908
00:42:17,329 --> 00:42:14,220
dinosaurs of every kind aboard Noah's

909
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,339
Ark some dinosaurs managed to hang

910
00:42:20,510 --> 00:42:19,440
around until just a few hundred years

911
00:42:23,210 --> 00:42:20,520
ago

912
00:42:24,290 --> 00:42:23,220
the legend of Saint George slaying the

913
00:42:27,730 --> 00:42:24,300
Dragon

914
00:42:30,530 --> 00:42:27,740
that probably was a dinosaur

915
00:42:34,910 --> 00:42:30,540
exhibits showing all this and more will

916
00:42:37,309 --> 00:42:34,920
be at the Creation Museum at 27 million

917
00:42:39,710 --> 00:42:37,319
dollar religious showcase nearing

918
00:42:42,650 --> 00:42:39,720
completion in Northern Kentucky

919
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,660
the museum in Boone County is being

920
00:42:48,290 --> 00:42:44,400
built by a non-profit group called

921
00:42:51,890 --> 00:42:48,300
Answers in Genesis it is scheduled to

922
00:42:55,069 --> 00:42:51,900
open on Memorial Day Museum and Northern

923
00:42:58,970 --> 00:42:55,079
Kentucky Tourism officials expect it to

924
00:43:00,890 --> 00:42:58,980
be a boon to the region bringing in at

925
00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:00,900
least 250

926
00:43:05,770 --> 00:43:03,780
000 visitors in its first year it

927
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:05,780
already is getting media attention

928
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:08,160
newspapers and television stations from

929
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:10,800
Europe Asia and Australia have visited

930
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:13,440
and CNN was there last week

931
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:16,319
but mainstream scientists who have

932
00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:19,200
dubbed it the Fred and Wilma Flintstone

933
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:25,490
say the Museum's message is just plain

934
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,560
wrong the museum is based on a literal

935
00:43:35,630 --> 00:43:31,440
interpretation of the Bible the world

936
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:35,640
was created in six 24-hour days sometime

937
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:39,920
between 6 000 and 10 000 years ago

938
00:43:47,690 --> 00:43:43,680
humans appeared on day six and they

939
00:43:50,809 --> 00:43:47,700
didn't evolve from anything can ham an

940
00:43:52,910 --> 00:43:50,819
Australian who is Answers in Genesis a

941
00:43:55,609 --> 00:43:52,920
hundred and twenty thousand dollar a

942
00:43:57,710 --> 00:43:55,619
year founder and President says the

943
00:44:01,130 --> 00:43:57,720
Museum opening will be a significant

944
00:44:02,930 --> 00:44:01,140
event in Christendom no one else has

945
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:02,940
ever built a place where you can

946
00:44:08,750 --> 00:44:05,760
experience Biblical history and merge it

947
00:44:12,410 --> 00:44:08,760
with the science he said

948
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,420
but Eugenie Scott a former University of

949
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,640
Kentucky Anthropologist who is the

950
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:16,319
director of the california-based

951
00:44:20,329 --> 00:44:17,760
national Center for Science Education

952
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:20,339
said the information provided in the

953
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:21,359
museum

954
00:44:26,990 --> 00:44:24,720
is not even close to standard science

955
00:44:29,569 --> 00:44:27,000
Scott visited the museum recently as

956
00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:29,579
part of a British Broadcasting Corp

957
00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:33,540
radio program although she didn't get a

958
00:44:39,710 --> 00:44:36,300
tour she saw enough to know that the

959
00:44:42,530 --> 00:44:39,720
museum will be professionally done and

960
00:44:44,089 --> 00:44:42,540
she says that's worrisome

961
00:44:46,130 --> 00:44:44,099
there are going to be students coming

962
00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:46,140
into the classroom and saying I just

963
00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:47,880
went to this fancy Museum and everything

964
00:44:54,970 --> 00:44:51,780
you're telling me is rubbish Scott said

965
00:44:57,890 --> 00:44:54,980
Daniel Phelps president of the Kentucky

966
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:57,900
paleontological society says the museum

967
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:01,520
will embarrass the state because of the

968
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,079
pseudoscientific Nutty things it

969
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:06,720
espouses and because it portrays

970
00:45:13,970 --> 00:45:10,319
Evolution as the path to ruin

971
00:45:16,930 --> 00:45:13,980
but the Reverend Bill hinard senior

972
00:45:20,030 --> 00:45:16,940
pastor at Lexington's Porter Memorial

973
00:45:21,890 --> 00:45:20,040
Baptist Church said that Sunday School

974
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:21,900
classes and other groups from his church

975
00:45:27,230 --> 00:45:24,240
are likely to visit I think people will

976
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:27,240
enjoy being able to see a different side

977
00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:30,180
from what some scientific findings have

978
00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:34,020
shown he said hennard said he believes

979
00:45:39,770 --> 00:45:37,260
in the literal story of creation adding

980
00:45:42,050 --> 00:45:39,780
that I think you'd be surprised to know

981
00:45:43,309 --> 00:45:42,060
how many people hold to a young Earth

982
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:43,319
creation

983
00:45:48,490 --> 00:45:46,079
and this page also has a couple of

984
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:48,500
photographs

985
00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:52,800
with uh scenes from the museum

986
00:45:58,130 --> 00:45:55,740
including a dinosaur

987
00:46:02,870 --> 00:45:58,140
and finally we have from the Arlington

988
00:46:06,530 --> 00:46:02,880
Heights Daily Herald suburban Chicago

989
00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:06,540
dated the 4th of November 2007.

990
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:10,440
Evolution backer coming to ECC Dean not

991
00:46:16,510 --> 00:46:13,920
worried about controversy by Emily crone

992
00:46:19,250 --> 00:46:16,520
a leader in the fight to keep Evolution

993
00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:19,260
education in the classroom and

994
00:46:24,130 --> 00:46:21,660
creationism out we'll speak Monday at

995
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,140
Elgin Community College Eugenie Scott

996
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,160
executive director of the national

997
00:46:31,069 --> 00:46:28,319
Center for Science Education will

998
00:46:32,990 --> 00:46:31,079
present two lectures what creationists

999
00:46:36,829 --> 00:46:33,000
think about Evolution and why it is

1000
00:46:39,609 --> 00:46:36,839
wrong and the evolution and stasis of

1001
00:46:42,290 --> 00:46:39,619
creationism Scott's non-profit

1002
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:42,300
californian-based organization bills

1003
00:46:47,089 --> 00:46:44,520
itself as the only National Organization

1004
00:46:50,329 --> 00:46:47,099
that specializes in defending Evolution

1005
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:50,339
education in elementary and secondary

1006
00:46:54,109 --> 00:46:51,599
schools

1007
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,119
the group monitors the creationism

1008
00:46:58,490 --> 00:46:56,880
movement and offers advice to teachers

1009
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:58,500
and school boards who have been

1010
00:47:04,490 --> 00:47:01,920
persuaded to downplay Evolution or give

1011
00:47:07,010 --> 00:47:04,500
equal time to creationism

1012
00:47:09,470 --> 00:47:07,020
group members have also played a role in

1013
00:47:12,170 --> 00:47:09,480
most of the major controversies over

1014
00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:12,180
Evolution education in the past two

1015
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:15,180
decades deputy director Glenn Branch

1016
00:47:19,010 --> 00:47:16,319
said

1017
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:19,020
most recently the group consulted pro

1018
00:47:26,089 --> 00:47:22,400
bono in the Dover Pennsylvania lawsuit

1019
00:47:28,490 --> 00:47:26,099
in which a judge ruled the teaching

1020
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:28,500
intelligent design in a public school

1021
00:47:35,470 --> 00:47:31,440
science class was unconstitutional

1022
00:47:38,809 --> 00:47:35,480
Branch said after every major defeat

1023
00:47:41,089 --> 00:47:38,819
creationism support is regroup and

1024
00:47:44,030 --> 00:47:41,099
develop a new strategy to undermine

1025
00:47:45,890 --> 00:47:44,040
Evolution education the Dover decision

1026
00:47:48,650 --> 00:47:45,900
Branch predicted will prompt

1027
00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:48,660
creationists to focus on undermining

1028
00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:51,240
Evolution education rather than trying

1029
00:47:57,049 --> 00:47:53,640
to insert creationism into public

1030
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:57,059
education that's going to be the new

1031
00:48:03,290 --> 00:48:00,480
push Branch said disclaimers trying to

1032
00:48:06,650 --> 00:48:03,300
poke holes in evolution they basically

1033
00:48:08,930 --> 00:48:06,660
say it's okay if you teach it as long as

1034
00:48:11,809 --> 00:48:08,940
you don't make it convincing Scott

1035
00:48:14,510 --> 00:48:11,819
lectures Nationwide in part trying to

1036
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,520
plug those holes Scott said for example

1037
00:48:19,609 --> 00:48:16,800
she answers questions from people who

1038
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,619
wonder why monkeys still exist if humans

1039
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,079
came from monkeys this misconception

1040
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,240
illustrates a major confusion held by

1041
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:26,640
many people about Evolution Scott said

1042
00:48:30,890 --> 00:48:29,040
that fish evolved into amphibians which

1043
00:48:35,450 --> 00:48:30,900
evolved into reptiles which evolved into

1044
00:48:38,030 --> 00:48:35,460
humans some ladder of Life ECC dean of

1045
00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:38,040
liberal Visual and Performing Arts Mary

1046
00:48:43,549 --> 00:48:40,740
hatch said Scott's lecture would

1047
00:48:46,849 --> 00:48:43,559
reinforce the lesson's ECC students

1048
00:48:50,089 --> 00:48:46,859
learn in the classroom and lab we teach

1049
00:48:52,670 --> 00:48:50,099
science here hatch said the scientific

1050
00:48:55,549 --> 00:48:52,680
method is about trying to avoid the

1051
00:48:57,410 --> 00:48:55,559
inherent bias of human beings and the

1052
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:57,420
theory of evolution is supported by

1053
00:49:03,950 --> 00:49:00,839
empirical measurable observation hatch

1054
00:49:06,950 --> 00:49:03,960
acknowledge that Scott's views could be

1055
00:49:09,770 --> 00:49:06,960
considered controversial though she said

1056
00:49:12,589 --> 00:49:09,780
no one has expressed any concerns about

1057
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:12,599
her presence on campus Scott's lecture

1058
00:49:18,770 --> 00:49:14,880
is part of the ecc's ongoing speakers

1059
00:49:20,569 --> 00:49:18,780
series hatch said of the series we've

1060
00:49:23,210 --> 00:49:20,579
had great turnouts we've had

1061
00:49:25,089 --> 00:49:23,220
intellectually hungry people coming it's

1062
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:25,099
been awesome it gives me hope

1063
00:49:31,609 --> 00:49:28,319
presentations are free and open to the

1064
00:49:34,670 --> 00:49:31,619
public and take place at 11AM and 7pm

1065
00:49:38,290 --> 00:49:34,680
Monday in the auditorium of the Advanced

1066
00:49:45,490 --> 00:49:38,300
Technology Center on the main campus

1067
00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:49,010
and with grateful thanks to Eugenie

1068
00:49:52,730 --> 00:49:51,660
Scott who I miss very much not being

1069
00:49:54,349 --> 00:49:52,740
able to

1070
00:49:56,270 --> 00:49:54,359
get over to the United States at the

1071
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:56,280
moment and see Genie's got it thanks

1072
00:50:01,309 --> 00:49:58,880
Genie for filling in your own voice

1073
00:50:02,290 --> 00:50:01,319
quoting yourself from all those years

1074
00:50:05,630 --> 00:50:02,300
ago

1075
00:50:07,370 --> 00:50:05,640
and folks you can imagine that when I

1076
00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:07,380
put in the search criteria of national

1077
00:50:10,609 --> 00:50:09,720
Center for Science Education and Eugenie

1078
00:50:14,930 --> 00:50:10,619
Scott

1079
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:14,940
there were pages and pages and pages of

1080
00:50:19,970 --> 00:50:18,660
reports and if you want to hear more of

1081
00:50:21,849 --> 00:50:19,980
Genie

1082
00:50:23,930 --> 00:50:21,859
I guess what you could do if you go to

1083
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,940
skepticzone.tv and click the episodes

1084
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:25,440
link

1085
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,300
then at the top of the page you'll see a

1086
00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:29,760
search box if you put in Eugenie Scott

1087
00:50:35,089 --> 00:50:33,300
or Eugenie I'll probably just even Scott

1088
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:35,099
into that search

1089
00:50:40,430 --> 00:50:38,640
you will find every episode in which of

1090
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,440
the skeptic Zone in which Eugenie Scott

1091
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:42,240
has been a guest or has been interviewed

1092
00:50:48,090 --> 00:50:46,800
there are many over the last 13 years

1093
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:48,100
foreign

1094
00:51:05,089 --> 00:51:03,109
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1095
00:51:08,210 --> 00:51:05,099
zone now next week on the show we hope

1096
00:51:10,970 --> 00:51:08,220
to bring you an interview with one of

1097
00:51:14,589 --> 00:51:10,980
the scientists involved with the pint of

1098
00:51:17,329 --> 00:51:14,599
Science Program now this is a series of

1099
00:51:21,230 --> 00:51:17,339
science Outreach events taking place

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00:51:23,690 --> 00:51:21,240
from the 17th to the 28th of May 2021

1101
00:51:25,730 --> 00:51:23,700
and looking at the website which is

1102
00:51:28,270 --> 00:51:25,740
Australian listeners have a look at this

1103
00:51:29,950 --> 00:51:28,280
website link in the show notes

1104
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:29,960
pintofscience.com

1105
00:51:35,210 --> 00:51:33,119
it says pint of science is back after

1106
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:35,220
the success of last year's Festival

1107
00:51:41,809 --> 00:51:38,400
moved online at the very last minute I

1108
00:51:44,930 --> 00:51:41,819
wonder why point of science Au Australia

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00:51:47,329 --> 00:51:44,940
2021 will be run completely online again

1110
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with a range of new and improved

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activities our talented team has spent

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the last few months Brewing up a variety

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of ways to enjoy a pint of science via

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video social media and across the

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airwaves there will be even more ways to

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participate with a mixture of

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pre-recorded and Live Events including

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our wildly popular point of science

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trivia with so much on we decided to

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extend our run for two whole weeks we

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can't wait hope to see you there so if

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you go to that website you'll find a

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link to a list of activities where you

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can join in uh virtually

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for the excellent pint of science series

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and as I say I hope to bring you an

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interview next week with one of the

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participants

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but for this week until the next episode

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which will be 657 on the 16th of May

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this is Richard Saunders signing off

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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hello to all the people who listen after

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the music for the dice game

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I've got d10s that's my favorite one I

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think I've got a blue one a green one a

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yellow one a red one and a purple one

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all right so I'm going to choose one at

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random

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it's the first guess you have to make

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this time

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oh for those people who don't know what

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this is all about sometimes I roll a die

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at the end of the show and you use your

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psychic predicting powers or whatever to

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guess what number's coming up I'll roll

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it three times

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where's my here it is my notepad and

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this time we're going to start by you

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have to predict the color what color

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will I use I'm going to um in fact yeah

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I know I'm just going to mix them up in

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my hand

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and just pull one out at random here it

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comes

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I'm gonna throw this purple roll this

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purple in my dice rolling machine three

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times first number coming up guess away

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here it comes

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four

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sorry Susan go back it's not a five next

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eight